We’re going to start off with a video of, “Blackjack Professional,” Michael Morgenstern, which is a YouTube video here put up showing alleged evidence of a dealer for BetOnline.ag cheating in a live Blackjack game. Assuming the video doesn’t get taken down at some point, here it is.
In the above video, the dealer’s face is blurred out, but if you want to see a video in which it isn’t, you can jump to about 14:36 in this video.
The first six and a half minutes of the top linked video consists of replays of the alleged misdeal as well as some commentary by Mr. Morgenstern that, and I’m going to put this as politely as possible, you’ll be less intelligent for having listened to. I would recommend just listening to his explanation of what happens, watching for it, and otherwise muting him until about the 6:30 mark.
From 6:30-13:17, if you really must listen to it, you can see what Mr. Morgenstern defines as, “Being real,” when he proceeds to cuss out two different individuals working for BetOnline who almost guaranteedly had nothing to do with the cheating, if deliberate cheating even happened. Both of the individuals attempted to get him to use the, “Contact Us,” function of the site to send an E-Mail, and at various times, he referred to both individuals as, ‘Motherfuckers.’ Having done telemarketing and supervised telemarketing way back in the day, I can say at my call center, you could hang up on someone for the mere act of using profanity, even if the profanity was not a direct insult, so my opinion is the BetOnline people showed more than enough patience.
Immediately thereafter, he called BetOnline again and engaged in a conversation even more absurd than the one that preceded it. At some point, he was told that the number he had called was for the sportsbook and any complaints related to live table games had to be handled through the live chat. At that point, he continued to cuss out the person on the phone and demanded to know how much the guy was making per hour. BetOnline, predictably, hung up on him again.
One thing that merits pointing out is that Mr. Morgenstern is not the individual who was directly affected by the misdeal, which is why you see his balance increase at the end of the hand, (he had one of the winning hands) and he also did not split twos against a dealer showing a ten card. Once again, that was not his hand. It just happened to take place during his live video stream.
Here is a slow motion version of the video that shows the dealer’s face:
Other gambling publications and message board participants seem to have a strong opinion as to whether or not this was deliberate cheating by BetOnline Casino, for my part, though, I have no strong opinion. Here are my thoughts each way:
The Casino May Have Cheated:
The first piece of evidence that makes it possible that the live dealer may have cheated is the fact that it was a pretty clear misdeal that caused the player (assuming the cards were known ahead of time) to lose the hand. If the cards were not known ahead of time, then technically, the misdeal does not affect what would have hypothetically happened, though it clearly would still affect what actually physically happened in that hand.
Another piece of information that lends itself to the possibility that the casino cheated is the fact that hit has been reported that BetOnline was looking for an alternative online gambling product and they cut Global Gaming Labs in favor of Visionary iGaming who has handled the Live Gaming operations for BetOnline since February 18th.
The hand in question took place on January 25th, during which time Global Gaming Labs was aware that BetOnline would no longer be utilizing their services, but prior to the switchover to Visionary iGaming. While we don’t know what the precise financial arrangement is between BetOnline and Global Gaming Labs, what we have is very weak circumstantial evidence pointing to the possibility that the live dealer may have intentionally cheated. I cannot emphasize enough that I personally consider that evidence, very weak when it comes to deliberate cheating. However, it is possible that the dealers were given the goal of getting as much as possible from BetOnline customers.
I am going to try to get a comment from Global Gaming Labs and will update this article if I am successful.
The other aspect that makes this a weak position is because dealer cheating would also look bad for Global Gaming Labs regardless of whether or not BetOnline continues to be a client of theirs.
The other argument for it being a deliberate cheat, that seems logical enough to me, is that this event was, ‘Caught,’ (if you think cheating took place) during a live video stream whereas that should be unlikely unless it is something the casino does somewhat frequently. Two things that would lead one to believe that are the fact that the amounts being played for are relatively small, so it doesn’t seem like a big hand for the casino to want to win as a one-off cheat, and what I like to call, ‘The Speeding Rule:”
What I refer to as the speeding rule involves a driver who gets caught speeding and is issued a ticket, chances are it is not the first time that the driver has ever sped, it’s just the first time the driver ever got caught. The main reason for this is because, on the previous occasions, there may not have been a cop there to catch him, or perhaps, the cop didn’t notice the person was speeding. The point is, people generally don’t get caught speeding their first time ever doing it.
The Live Casino May Not Have Cheated:
There are a number of reasonable arguments that can be made for no deliberate cheating that I plan to explore now. Once again, while I am not willing to absolutely conclude that there was no deliberate cheating, I do lean somewhat to that side of the argument. Here are the reasons to believe that no deliberate cheating took place:
Once again, even if Global Gaming Labs was losing BetOnline as a client, there is no reason to believe that they would deliberately cheat as being caught could potentially get them blackballed amongst all online casino providers. Eventually, even if the initial blame is put on BetOnline, people are going to get the idea that the live casino is powered by Global Gaming Labs.
Furthermore, it could be argued that the dealing procedure simply looked sloppy and that the dealer got the second card without knowing what the card was or, possibly, that he was even getting the second card. For one thing, the dealer appeared distracted when attempting to deal the next card to the player (the one that ended up being a six) and whatever he was trying to do initially, it is clear from the video that he missed. After missing his intended target, (whether or not he intended to cheat) the dealer then pushes what should be the next card up and takes the card beneath it. As a result, the dealer beat that particular player 18-17.
In other words, if the dealer was just dealing legitimately (or meaning to) it was sloppy, and if the dealer cheated, then it was a sloppy cheat. Regardless of what it was, it was pretty clear that the dealer didn’t do it right. That could have something to do with the fact that the dealer seemed quite distracted at the time. Cheating or not, on his first attempt to draw out a card, the dealer’s hand wasn’t even really in the correct position to do so.
Another reason it seems like it may have been an accident is because the dealer’s entire hand motion was awkward compared to other instances in which the dealer drew out cards. On the other instances, the dealer appeared to use multiple fingers to push down the next card to come out and draw it out in a full on sliding motion, then gripping it with three fingers and the thumb as it gets turned over. Either way it was an ugly draw, but to me, it’s tough to conclude that it was a deliberate cheat.
Interestingly enough, I can even use my, ‘Speeding Argument,’ to defend the assertion that no cheating went on. By that I mean, sure, you’re not going to get caught every time you cheat, but certainly, someone would have noticed some shenanigans with the live dealers cheating by now if they were taught to do it deliberately.
The Aftermath:
Michael Morgenstern has continued to post new material to YouTube with respect to this matter, in one video, he claims to have received threats on his life and that of his daughter from Central America as well as having been offered a quarter of a million dollars to take down his video accusing the casino of cheating. Always keeping it classy, Mr. Morgenstern then has said daughter flip off the camera for the alleged individuals who threatened him and proceeds to go on a profane tirade about the threats against her in her presence.
It has been reported that BetOnline refunded the affected player on that hand due to the apparent misdeal that resulted in the player losing both splits rather than just one. It is unknown whether or not the player has been informed that splitting deuces against a ten is not a good idea.
BetOnline has made it known that they have switched Live Gaming providers and had actually made the decision to do so prior to the events in the video.
We will stay on top of this story and I will update this editorial if I hear back from Global Gaming Labs.
khamo 4 years ago Sr. Newbie
I recently had a dealer at their live baccarat pull two jacks for the player, a 10 and 5 for the banker, then proceeded to pull the players card (an 8), scan it, and then set it back by the shoe, scoop up the cards, and then use it again as the players first card. Other players and myself were calling for a floor person,...
I recently had a dealer at their live baccarat pull two jacks for the player, a 10 and 5 for the banker, then proceeded to pull the players card (an 8), scan it, and then set it back by the shoe, scoop up the cards, and then use it again as the players first card. Other players and myself were calling for a floor person, but the dealer just continued dealing, no idea if they could see our chat or not, no idea if this was deliberate or just some poor girl not wanting to lose her job after making a mistake, none the less, i immediately went to bet onlines support to let them know this was going on, and since i didn't have video of it, they apparently weren't perturbed at all. I've since run into some sketchy things at their live european roulette, and their non-live games? Dont touch those with a 10 foot stick. They're a joke. Play somewhere better, read reviews, and good luck, wherever you place your bets
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WaroftheGods 7 years ago Full Member
Alright, this one could possibly go either way, my take, since this kind of stuff actually does happen more often then one would like to believe , they are getting so good at cheating that if by chance the dealer does get caught, they can seemingly plead their case with they didn't even look or otherwise distracted, cheating...
Alright, this one could possibly go either way, my take, since this kind of stuff actually does happen more often then one would like to believe , they are getting so good at cheating that if by chance the dealer does get caught, they can seemingly plead their case with they didn't even look or otherwise distracted, cheating sucks for everyone involved , it's too bad we can't abolish this kind of crap permanently.
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Mission146 7 years ago Jr. Member
Inguna, Definitely strange. ChocolateMan, I take it since you accuse, 'All,' casinos of doing it you can back that up with some video evidence of it happening at every single casino? As far as this video goes, I'm just leaning towards, 'No,' but I'm not absolutely saying it was or wasn't a deliberate cheat.
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Bitspender 7 years ago Super Hero
ALL THESE LIVE CASINOS MANIPULATE THE RESULTS... I've seen enough the past couple of years to know better. Go look at my past post here. I have been saying it over and over. Yet when it presented to some of y'all on camera you still don't believe...LMAO!!! Blind leading the blind.
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ArmiSoo7 7 years ago Sr. Newbie
I dont think that it is some kind of cheat, but it looks strange :(
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Mission146 7 years ago Jr. Member
Lipstick, The thinking seems to be that there might be some kind of mirror or hidden camera where the next card (and card after that) out might conceivably be seen. Either that, or that the order of the cards is somehow known. If there is cheating, which I doubt, more than likely the camera or the mirror thing, I believe...
Lipstick, The thinking seems to be that there might be some kind of mirror or hidden camera where the next card (and card after that) out might conceivably be seen. Either that, or that the order of the cards is somehow known. If there is cheating, which I doubt, more than likely the camera or the mirror thing, I believe even that Live Dealer provider shuffled pretty clearly on camera. ChocolateMan, I don't think I'm making excuses, I'm just saying there may have been cheating, but I don't think that there was. I'm absolutely not 100% ruling it out. If you're referring to Morgenstern in the video, almost everything Morgenstern says automatically has no credibility with me because it was Morgenstern who said it. This is the guy who makes a video with his daughter in his lap sitting there talking about death threats against her. True or not (and I seriously doubt it) that's pretty sick.
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Bitspender 7 years ago Super Hero
I wish some of you will quit trying to defend these casinos. It right there in your face and you still trying to make excuses. It's people like yourselves that will sit on a jury of a cop killing unarmed people (blacks) with a video of the shooting, and then find the cop not guilty. ALL OF THESE LIVE CASINO SITES CHEAT...
I wish some of you will quit trying to defend these casinos. It right there in your face and you still trying to make excuses. It's people like yourselves that will sit on a jury of a cop killing unarmed people (blacks) with a video of the shooting, and then find the cop not guilty. ALL OF THESE LIVE CASINO SITES CHEAT AND MANIPULATE THE RESULTS!!!! The guy in the video even mention have mirrors are used to change outcome. The problem is most of you have no clue of what really happens on the other end of the camera. So you blindly put your trust in rigged, stacked, manipulated system.
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Lipstick 7 years ago Admin
What I don't understand in the whole cheating scheme is, if I am correct he pulled the second card from the front. How could he know and predict that is the precise card at that precise moment he would need during that hand. I mean he doesn't know how many cards the players are going to take during gameplay. Am I missing...
What I don't understand in the whole cheating scheme is, if I am correct he pulled the second card from the front. How could he know and predict that is the precise card at that precise moment he would need during that hand. I mean he doesn't know how many cards the players are going to take during gameplay. Am I missing something?
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Mission146 7 years ago Jr. Member
LCB Admin, I tend to agree, even GGL still has other contracts. Losing BetOnline had to hurt, but I don't imagine it immediately put them out of business or anything. Dr Theolen, Exactly, anyone could catch an error or intentional misdeal at any time with the ability to record. You also get a clean angle and...
LCB Admin, I tend to agree, even GGL still has other contracts. Losing BetOnline had to hurt, but I don't imagine it immediately put them out of business or anything. Dr Theolen, Exactly, anyone could catch an error or intentional misdeal at any time with the ability to record. You also get a clean angle and can watch it over and over again, if you like, looking for cheating. Sylvanas, I just wish we had a ton more footage on this dealer to see if he ever does that index finger flick move any other time, as Markotik mentioned. Johnny Karp, It got him YouTube views, so I'm sure that was good for him. Gave us all something to talk about, gave me something to write about, and something unusual definitely happened on that footage. It's all good. As far as the death threats go, that's laughable without proof and he shouldn't be talking about things like that in front of his daughter. Blueday, I'm still trying to get ahold of someone from GGL on the phone. BetOnline has said their piece, I think, that they have switched live casino services. Total Raccoon, I wouldn't even call it, 'Stupidity,' if it was an actual error. We're physically imperfect creatures, imagine slicing your finger while cutting vegetables, happens to most people at least once. Yet, most people have cut many vegetables, we just have physically imperfect moments now and then.
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Total Raccoon 7 years ago Sr. Member
It looks just plain stupid!!! I would rather say that it was a stupid dealers mistake as he flingers his fingers. And to work like that, every next card has to appear on a display somewhere, for him to do that... I'm not defending the casino, but i would rather that it was really the dealers stupidity
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Gospodja Ministarka 7 years ago Superstar Member
I can't believe that they did something like this so obviously
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blueday 7 years ago Almighty Member
Incredible footage and it's hard to determine if the dealer knew what he was doing. I'll reserve judgement until an official statement is forthcoming...if it is forthcoming!
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JohnnyK 7 years ago Forum admin
I think Mr. Morgenstern made a lot more of this than there actually was, you can't just start accusing a global conspiracy just because of a lousy dealer. Oh, and he should produce some evidence regarding those death threats if that really happened.
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Sylvanas 7 years ago Admin
This all looks unintentional to me, I don't know, like there was no ill intent really. It was just so obvious, impossible not to notice, that I find it hard to believe the dealer or the casino thought they can pull it off like this. And if it was intentional, why? I don't see any good reason to justify cheating like this.
This all looks unintentional to me, I don't know, like there was no ill intent really. It was just so obvious, impossible not to notice, that I find it hard to believe the dealer or the casino thought they can pull it off like this. And if it was intentional, why? I don't see any good reason to justify cheating like this.
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drtheolen 7 years ago Moderator
From my point of view, its the most unlikely scenario that BetOnline is directly involved in this I think. It also seem to me that Global Gaming Labs have no interest to profit in this manner only once, if they would cheat it would have to be quite a number of times to pay off the huge risk they would involved themselves...
From my point of view, its the most unlikely scenario that BetOnline is directly involved in this I think. It also seem to me that Global Gaming Labs have no interest to profit in this manner only once, if they would cheat it would have to be quite a number of times to pay off the huge risk they would involved themselves in. Problem with that is everyone can record the stream as this guy Morgenstern did, and get an easy proof of cheating. So in both cases something doesn't add up, and to me it looks like an unintentional error on dealers part. I'm very eager to follow up on further development of this case.
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LCB Admin 7 years ago Admin
It looks like cheating but I can not see a valid motive as it would amount to commercial suicide. So I am going to side with incompetence.
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Mission146 7 years ago Jr. Member
Desire4All, How blatant it looks would be the strangest part, more than one person thinks it may have been intentional to make the casino look bad, or alternatively, Morgenstern look good. I don't have any opinion on that either way, it calls for a lot of speculation. Markotik, The only thing the casino has...
Desire4All, How blatant it looks would be the strangest part, more than one person thinks it may have been intentional to make the casino look bad, or alternatively, Morgenstern look good. I don't have any opinion on that either way, it calls for a lot of speculation. Markotik, The only thing the casino has really come out and said is that they don't use the live dealer services of Global Gaming Labs anymore, that seems to be about all they have to say on the matter so far. Nirvana, Yes, whether it was deliberate cheating or not, it is definitely video evidence of sloppy procedure, at best. If it was accidental, though, he won't be the first dealer in history to ever commit an error. If this happened in a B&M (and was noticed) they would probably just pay the winners and losing hands would push with the final hand being paid according to the cards coming out in the right order. Zuga, It will be interesting to see if the casino has anything else to say about the matter. They pretty much seem to be standing behind the fact that Global Gaming Labs doesn't handle their live casino operations anymore.
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desire4all 7 years ago Jr. Member
You can call me naive but I didn't even think that someone would do this on this way. It's too obvious to be true.
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2fast4u 7 years ago Hero Member
man that was so obvious!
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Markotik 7 years ago Admin
I tend to think that it was an honest mistake, and the only suspicious thing is the way he's dealing the cards, as if he was preparing to do it. Not sure if the casino was involved in this so I would also like to see an official statement about this whole situation.
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