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  • In a job interview, would you disclose the fact that you've been unemployed for the past year due to your depression and anxiety disorder?  Do you think disclosing this info to your potential employer would work against your getting the job?  Anyone here been in similar situation?  Please chime in and let me know your thoughts on this and how you handled it.

    Same question, but this time, instead of depression, say its cancer.  Would you be open about your cancer in a job interview?

  • At work I interview people often. I personally would not exclude a candidate for a job based on the issues you've mentioned. Although the majority of excuses for being unemployed are economy related and most would not be as honest to admit mental or emotional health issues. As long as you possess the qualifications to do what I need, I couldn't care less about your personal life.

    Here's an interesting piece of information related to resumes and interviewing. If I reject a candidate based on the content of their resume without meeting with them or having them phone screened, I must explain and provide valid reasons for passing on them. I cannot simply just say i'll pass. This is all government regulated. Point being I better have a damn good reason for rejecting your application that's based on skills and not emotions or my opinions of you personally.

    Since many may not share my open mind, I would skip the disclosure and blame it on the economy!

  • Okay this is how my daughter got a job...

    She got a call for a job she applied to and wanted that job really badly..
    He called, and asked her.. Can you be here in 20 minutes and we can conduct
    an interview, your application looks very promising..
    Okay she was running around all excited, MOM i got an INTERVIEW.. get dressed mom
    lets go, her having to get dressed also in a hurry.. She found a pair of pants, worn the night before still clean, she slipped them on, out on a nice top, in the car put a little make-up on, she looked really nice..

    On the way she said Mom.. theres some kind of lump or something in the leg
    of my pants she couldn't figure out what it was, thinking it was just the pants
    someway twisted, anyways being so excited she didn't worry about it...

    We arrived i parked, and she went inside, sat a moment and within a few minutes
    the gentleman came out, she stood up.. walked over to the man to shake his hand
    and as she did.. her thong flew out the bottom of her pants leg..on the floor right
    in front of him.. imagine his face.. thinking ..umm.. do i have that effect on woman..
    umm.. her face in so much embarressment.. trying to explain.. how the heck it got there..the interview, neither could keep a straight face, speechless, and her so timidly
    in such embarressment, this just doesn't happen everyday
    both trying to hold in laughter.. she embarressingly asked.. could we do this another time.. he told her no.. no need you are hired...you simply made my day..

    Her walking to the car with her thong in her hand.. smiling, explained what happen
    i couldn't even drive!

    this is the original post thread btw, its very funny alot of things said in this thread...

    https://lcb.org/onlinecasinobonusforum/general-discussion/most-embarressing-moment/

    Ishin, i do beleive jobs will base you on your history, you have a good history, i beleive your chances are better. This is my own personal opinion, here now jobs even will base you on your TRW, your credit rating also your background history of say anything criminal. But medical .. could be a different story.. woman are sometimes off for years to raise a family.. i had an employer i was close with tell me he hired a woman JUST because she was in an abusive relation, trying to get out and away, needing a job had not worked for 15 years.
    I think most employers do hire on your experience in some way and your attitude and actions in the interview regardless of what your past reflects, on the negative side..they could tend to beleive in the extreme that if they hire someone with a depression could end in a postal scene.

  • A friend of mine is an attorney in employment law.  He tells me that he and his colleagues, in the past couple years, have seen a dramatic influx of cases dealing with employees being laid off shortly after their bosses learn of the employee's medical conditions (i.e. depression, cancer).  These cases are primarily in the private sector.  Some employers don't want to hear about their employees' ailments because that typically means having to accommodate for medical leave, time off, disruption from work, decreased dependability and productivity, etc...Employers want employees that are healthy and happy.  I can understand that.  No employer wants employees that have a gang of problems at home/ in their private life...because everyone knows its impossible to keep your private and work life completely separate. 

    I asked my initial question in this thread because I see the possibility of employers passing up a qualified applicant with known medical conditions because they dont want to have to deal with future problems that may arise from these medical conditions.  I could see this easily happening if there are plenty of applicants for the position.

    Yes, employers should hire based on the applicants' qualifications.  But we all know in reality, this is not the case.

    Thanks guys, for your input.

    Imagine...if all else fails, submit your resume along with your leather thong!  lmao

  • This will make me very unpopular, but as a small business owner I would not hire somone who was in a bad state of depression or had major anxiety issues.  If they can demostate successful TREATMENT for these, then I would sure view that as positive and would strongly consider hiring them.  Now, I don't consider a family doctor tossing someone an Rx of Zanex "treatment."

    My point of empathy:  I was depressed years ago, so I understand what it means to be in that situation.  Not fun! 

    Anyway, the reason is:  It can drag down productivity in the business, hence, putting other's well-being in jeopardy. 

    Bottom lie....if you can't make my business money and keep your fellow worker employed, then I DON'T hire you.



  • Anyway, the reason is:  It can drag down productivity in the business, hence, putting other's well-being in jeopardy. 

    Bottom lie....if you can't make my business money and keep your fellow worker employed, then I DON'T hire you.


    Yup, thats basically what my concerns were.

    So would you suggest the applicant lie if the topic comes up during the interview?  Come up with some story that helps to take focus off of the applicant's medical history?  What a way to start a potential job,.. with a lie!

    I wonder just how many people lie in their resumes and job interview just to get that slight edge.
  • The best way to do it is not disclose the information voluntarily, wait to be asked about it, if asked touch it lightly and don't drag on, make the employer aware with some sort of good point that it won't interfer with your duties. BUT this also depends on how bad the medical reasons are, if they are standingly obvious.

    If you are in an interview and are uncomfortable with your history to begin with then you know the job is not for you. But also you can stand a chance of overcoming, just think about that.

    Another suggestion is try for jobs that are KNOWN to hire people with handicaps and illnesses. (im saying this because i don't how sick the person is)

  • Obtaining a job with a lie is the worst start you [general] can have in a new job.  It will be a constant worry that it might "come out".

    Always best to be honest if asked the question.  If an employer bases their decision on previous problems (medical), is it really the kind of place one wants to work?  As Froggy rightly says, "As long as you possess the qualifications to do what I need, I couldn't care less about your personal life".  Fair comment indeed.

    blue

  • I'm actually with Drpsyche on this one, I wouldn't hire anyone who openly disclosed that they didn't work for a year because of major depression.  That isn't right of course, but it's the way it is, and if asked why I would just say I received a lot of applicants and it was a hard decision but I went with the most qualified.  I will not disclose my cancer history of the last year to my potential employers.  I have been submitting applications the last week- online but still applying- and there is no way I'm going to voluntarily provide that info and they can't ask me 'were you unemployed because of cancer'

    I like to stick with the basics of how I am qualified and not go to my personal life at all during an interview.  It hasn't failed me yet.  I have 2 little kids, not gonna tell them.  I have been on both sides of the hiring and applying, and I think you are so qualified as is, you don't need to disclose it.


  • I'm actually with Drpsyche on this one, I wouldn't hire anyone who openly disclosed that they didn't work for a year because of major depression.  That isn't right of course, but it's the way it is, and if asked why I would just say I received a lot of applicants and it was a hard decision but I went with the most qualified.  I will not disclose my cancer history of the last year to my potential employers.  I have been submitting applications the last week- online but still applying- and there is no way I'm going to voluntarily provide that info and they can't ask me 'were you unemployed because of cancer'

    I like to stick with the basics of how I am qualified and not go to my personal life at all during an interview.  It hasn't failed me yet.  I have 2 little kids, not gonna tell them.  I have been on both sides of the hiring and applying, and I think you are so qualified as is, you don't need to disclose it.


    So how would you go about the situation?  You know you've been unemployed for over a year because of your cancer and depression.  At the same time you know you are qualified for the position.  And the interviewer asks, "So what have you been doing for the past year?'  Why haven't you been working?"  Do you come up with a story that skirts around the fact that you've not been working primarily because of your cancer and depression?..basically, lie?

  • Obtaining a job with a lie is the worst start you [general] can have in a new job.  It will be a constant worry that it might "come out".



    My thoughts exactly!
  • I totally agree with you Blue.. do not lie, my statement was not meaning to lie. Most applications ask medical questions in lew of being able to handle the job, answer those honestly, and in the interview don' bring them up voluntarily, the employer has read them, wait to be asked more information and they will IF it is bothering them. The employer is interviewing you because he beleives you have the potencial with your experiences, dragging on a medical problem might detur him into thinking you are more into your sicknesses then you would be the job.It is YOU who knows if you can handle the job with your medical history, if you are uncomfortable, if the employer seems concerned with it, then it's not the job for you.

    Gain the confidence, gain the job..


  • I totally agree with you Blue.. do not lie, my statement was not meaning to lie. Most applications ask medical questions in lew of being able to handle the job, answer those honestly, and in the interview don' bring them up voluntarily, the employer has read them, wait to be asked more information and they will IF it is bothering them. The employer is interviewing you because he beleives you have the potencial with your experiences, dragging on a medical problem might detur him into thinking you are more into your sicknesses then you would be the job.It is YOU who knows if you can handle the job with your medical history, if you are uncomfortable, if the employer seems concerned with it, then it's not the job for you.

    Gain the confidence, gain the job..


    Succinctly put Imagin.

    blue
  • Man, interviews must be a real nightmare to someone with an anxiety order to begin with. Having to account for a lapse in employment would only make it worse.

    I'm with everyone else in that I do not think it would be a good idea to voluntarily offer this kind of information. But, if asked directly about the lapse, I'm not sure what the correct approach would be. Ethically speaking, I suppose the correct approach would probably be if not full disclosure then at least adequate or honest disclosure. Enough honest info to inform and alert the interviewer to the issue at hand. But you are probably aware that such an approach is very likely a direct conflict of interest with getting the job. The person may as well not interview at all if they are prepared to do this under some circumstances. I suppose they would need to have a good feel for the company and especially the interviewer to know if the person seems to have enough empathy and compassion to make this warranted. Otherwise, I would think skirting the issue somehow would be more advisable, depending on how well they are able to account for their time during this lapse if really pressed. It could come back to bite them later on, but as some of the more honest posters have implied, there may not be much choice if they really want or need the job.


  • Man, interviews must be a real nightmare to someone with an anxiety order to begin with. Having to account for a lapse in employment would only make it worse.

    I'm with everyone else in that I do not think it would be a good idea to voluntarily offer this kind of information. But, if asked directly about the lapse, I'm not sure what the correct approach would be. Ethically speaking, I suppose the correct approach would probably be if not full disclosure then at least adequate or honest disclosure. Enough honest info to inform and alert the interviewer to the issue at hand. But you are probably aware that such an approach is very likely a direct conflict of interest with getting the job. The person may as well not interview at all if they are prepared to do this under some circumstances. I suppose they would need to have a good feel for the company and especially the interviewer to know if the person seems to have enough empathy and compassion to make this warranted. Otherwise, I would think skirting the issue somehow would be more advisable, depending on how well they are able to account for their time during this lapse if really pressed. It could come back to bite them later on, but as some of the more honest posters have implied, there may not be much choice if they really want or need the job.


    Exactly, you know where I'm coming from.  This is a tough situation.
  • ishin -  The point I was trying to make is getting SUCCESSFUL treatment for depression, or whatever the disorder is.  And, like I said, getting your family doctor tossing you a Rx of Zanex is not enough. 

    Don't lie.  Never lie in obtaining a job.  Not only can you get fired really fast, but you COULD face criminal or civil issues.

    This is going to sound cruel, and as a former mental health professional I feel guilt in writing this, but the last person you want working for you is an untreated person with mental or emotional issues.  Anxiety or depression?  Well, good luck with them and customers and other coworkers.  Bi polar?  Well, prepare to be lied to repeatedly.

    I would work with an employee with mental issues, provided they got ongoing treatment and I was able to monitor them with boundaries of understanding.

  • I have been going to school taking medical classes for the last year.
    true story, I just finished my program the week before last.  I was laid off from my job with 1100 other people a month and half before I found out I had cancer and I was job hunting at the time.  So if they ask 'what have you been doing the last year' i would say job hunting and going to school, and enjoying the time off with my family for the first time EVER.  I see no reason to disclose my personal health history, it is NONE of their business.  and i wasn't depressed, that was the other person.  well maybe I was, getting an extremely deadly cancer didn't make me happy by any means smiley  My point is, you by no means have to disclose your personal information that has nothing to do with the position.  If you are qualified, you are qualified.  When they say 'so tell me about yourself' we were taught in business school not to say 'well I like to crochet and gamble when I can, and look at porn too', but to say 'I have always wanted to work in xxx field, and decided to go to school for it, and blah blah blah'.  Keep it professional, you getting the job or not should be about your qualifications and experience, not about if anyone was unlucky enough to deal with cancer, depression, asthma, broken leg, death of a spouse, etc. etc. etc.

    When I am hired on my qualifications, and I get to know them a little better, I have no problem talking about my personal life.  But in business, and especially in the beginning, the two are separate.

  • I should also add that I have a degree in business and have always worked in offices, I have never done physical labor.  So for my case, there is absolutely no reason to disclose.  The only questions I have ever seen on an application are 'are you able to consistently pick up 10-15 pounds' or something of the like in my line of work.  For someone else, this may be different.  But you know what, just because someone is dealing with something, doesn't mean they are useless.  There was a guy at my old job who was the toughest mechanic (I was in payroll but saw him often) and I had no idea he was dealing with stomach cancer the entire time he worked there... well actually i got laid off and he didn't, so the time i knew him.  A good knowledgeable employee regardless of what they are dealing with is better than some know-it-all lazy ass who is just there clocking time doing as little as possible.  (no offense to anyone, i've certainly been both i just mean for this topic of discussion)


  • we were taught in business school not to say 'well I like to crochet and gamble when I can, and look at porn too', but to say 'I have always wanted to work in xxx field, and decided to go to school for it,


    lmao  tongue tongue  youre funny!
  • ..just wanted to say thanks for everyone's opinions here.  much appreciated!

  • I would absolutely positively lie about what i have been doing for the last year! And i would have no qualms in lying about it either.

    Forget about what is morally or ethically correct. The employer is not going to be morally or ethically correct when they find a reason not to hire you. That reason certainly won't be the truth that your depressed or have emotional issue because the gov won't allow them to not hire you for this.

    There are a lot of things in this world that we are "suppose" to do that we know darn well in our hearts it in reality gets us NO where. It would be nice if you could tell the truth unfortunately society isn't ready for it yet.

    It is called survival of the fittest! It's tough enough to find a job today without sharing personal details about yourself that is none of their damn business.

    The only exception to this i see is if you were going to be employed where mental health is a major issue and it states clearly that it's a requirement. Also make sure your doctor gives you clearance to work.

    Tell them you traveled the world over!

    Lips

  • I would absolutely positively lie about what i have been doing for the last year! And i would have no qualms in lying about it either.


    There are a lot of things in this world that we are "suppose" to do that we know darn well in our hearts it in reality gets us NO where. It would be nice if you could tell the truth unfortunately society isn't ready for it yet.


    Lips



    Thank you so much lips!  For some reason, I really needed to hear this.  And you said it with such conviction!  Thanks.
  • I haven't seen a job application in such a long time and really can't remember if it's asked "are you physcially able" or "mentally able" or if it says "do you have anything medically that would stand in the way of doing your job correctly.. i don't see anything wrong with NOT disclosing your personal information. As far as the lapse.. nothing wrong with saying i took time of to be with family, ALOT of people do this, most because they are depressed, tired, need a break, have problems. It is better to take the time off rather then to keep working bringing the overwhelming problems to work affecting your job performance and reputation, if medical help is needed to help then the right things were done, this was a very unselfish thing to do even though you are helping yourself.

    You're not lying by answering these questions, you are just not disclosing personal information they need not know about, truely it is up to you and your well being whether there is readiness to handle it.

  • Lips.  I am sure lots of people lie on applications.  But, the reality is:  If someone is depressed on a significant level and is NOT being treated, there is a significant risk they will be a drag on the companies productivity. 

    Trust me, I have had this happen.  Having a depressed or anxious employee is no fun and it hurts business. 


  • Lips.  I am sure lots of people lie on applications.  But, the reality is:  If someone is depressed on a significant level and is NOT being treated, there is a significant risk they will be a drag on the companies productivity.  

    Trust me, I have had this happen.  Having a depressed or anxious employee is no fun and it hurts business.  


    Yes, depression hurts everyone, the individual and those around.  However, the presumption here is that the applicant has sought treatment and is ready to re-enter the work force.  With that said, the question here was whether or not the applicant should reveal the fact that they've been off of work for over a year due to their medical condition.  And after hearing different opinions, I've concluded its in the best interest of the applicant not disclose such personal info, nor is it any of their biznass.  But I could be wrong...wouldn't be the first time!  lol  Seems the older I get the less i know...I was much older then, I'm younger then that now.  : )

  •  lol  Seems the older I get the less i know...I was much older then, I'm younger then that now.  : )


    Is it as we get older our brain shrinks and our bodies get bigger or the other way around?

    I know something shrinks as we age.


  • I know something shrinks as we age.


    One thing is for sure...After I wake up and pee, my morning woody shrinks.
  • What's that joke about.. "he used to watch me shave, now he just stares at the floor"


  • What's that joke about.. "he used to watch me shave, now he just stares at the floor"


    Dunno.  I've never heard that joke, sorry.  : (
  • I can't remember either, but it was about an older gentlemen talking about aging and what he was noticing lol

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