Is Winaday casino software fair?

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  • I wanted to play at this site cause it is highly rated for USA players but I don't recognize any of their slot games. They said it was their own software. After a bit of searching on the internet it seems they have a bad reputation, including some rigged and unfair games. There is nothing stated about the slots RTP either. 


    I posted a question about this in winaday's thread but it was deleted. I guess the casino doesn't want people talking about this. 

    Have you had good experiences with this casino? Do you think their slots are fair?

  • They have been around for years and I have had nothing but good experience from their casino. Great rep very responsive IMO.  The only reason i am not playing at their casino currently is because a problem with my bit coin. I changed my phone number and is having a heck of a time getting in touch with coin base to update it. Also i no longer have a visa debit card so it makes it hard for me to use their deposit options. I think it is up to an individual player to decide what casino they would enjoy playing at. I do read reviews but at the end of the day if i do not like the casino i will not play at it . To sum it up...i trust Win A day/ Slotland and they are counted among my top casino's to play at. I only have 3 whistle . Good luck what ever you decide.

    Rated:

    5/ 5

  • Hi FoggyPort,

    This group of brands exist for a long time, they make their own games and they are legit, you don't have to worry about it. You can check their review page and players' comments HERE. If you have any questions we'll also notify a casino rep to step in. smiley

  • Win a Day casino exists as long as I remember, and I can say nothing but positive things about it. Their games selection was indeed a bit limited 8 or so years back, but it has been improved a lot since. Promotions have always been generous, wagering requirements have always been highly competitive, payments on time and support responsive. We also have a very good rep on board for that casino. So from my standpoint, I doubt you are going to be disappointed playing there.

     

    Slotland is a sister casino to Win A Day, a very good one too, with a completely different selection of in house developed games, so might want to check out that site as well.

    Rated:

    5/ 5

    3/ 5

  • FoggyPort wrote:

    I wanted to play at this site cause it is highly rated for USA players...

    Hey FoggyPort,

    Thanks for your interest in one of our brands, Win A Day Casino, as well as doing your home work in terms of making some online research. Thumbs up! In case you're interested in actually getting some feedback from the 'source', here it goes:

    While our games may not be as reknown as unlike many other games featured across dozens or even hundreds of casinos, it's simply because we prefer doing things our way. And developing games in-house gives us a chance to do just that, in other worlds offering our players the privilege of playing our unique, one-of-a-kind games only across our brands.

    Before even bringing out the question of our integrity, I assume your research might have easily revealed that being around since 1998 when Slotland, our oldest brand, was launched, we're in for the long term, having always strived to reach impeccable reputation.

    And I believe we were grossly successful reaching that goal, even if over the past 2+ decades there might have been an honest mistep or two, not done with intention to harm anyone though. Ones that we were willing to openly accept, swiftly deal with and compensate for (e.g. as was the case of our multiwheel roulette, that briefly malfunctioned when played under very specific condition, while even the reviewer was happy with how the situation was resolved. With game long being pulled off, let me add).

    Now I'm not exactly sure what resources in particular you used during your research (care to share? I'm genuinely interested) but if you ever need some unbiased resources, I suggest you to turn e.g. to this one, aggregating thousands of votes/reviews spanning over more than a decade across multiple reknowned sites. This gives Winaday an average rating of 4.2, which might be a tad away from reaching perfection, but still far away from the mud you seem (or have an intention?) to drag us through --

    In closure, yes we don't have problem accept that our games might be everyone's cup of tea. That's exactly why we offer a hefty free-to-try bonus for you to find out if you sign up via LCB. But as you can see, there is no question we don't want people to talk about. If you believe you have one, feel free to shoot, preferrably by offering any sort of evidence instead of spreading ungrounded, if not utterly false claims that just won't do justice. TY!

     

    Rated:

    4.7/ 5

    4.6/ 5

  • Slotland.WinADay wrote:

    FoggyPort wrote:

    I wanted to play at this site cause it is highly rated for USA players...

    Hey FoggyPort,

    Ones that we were willing to openly accept, swiftly deal with and compensate for (e.g. as was the case of our multiwheel roulette, that briefly malfunctioned when played under very specific condition, while even the reviewer was happy with how the situation was resolved. With game long being pulled off, let me add).

    Now I'm not exactly sure what resources in particular you used during your research (care to share? I'm genuinely interested)

    Hello, I found here that the software is strange https://wizardofodds.com/online-gambling/slotland/
    In the link you provided I guess also there was a malfunction with the software. 
    Well, I don't know anything about the slots and I normally like to play slots where the RTP is given so that I am not playing an 85% RTP slot! Do you have info on that?

  • FoggyPort wrote:

    Hello, I found here that the software is strange...

    #1 ad pogg --

    Well, an interesting choice of resources you have indeed, by referring to an article dating back to 2012 on something that about 2.5 people on Earth found relevant --

    Anyway, to give you some context, back in the day Mr. Pogg (perhaps a brilliant statistician, though still unable to spell our brand name right) had a serious beef against one of our games, particularly JacksOrBetterProgressive (formerly called JacksOrBetter), thinking it's a pure video poker although we at all times clearly stated it's not, e.g. by providing an explanation that it's a video game based on Jacks or Better poker game.

    What in simple terms he was blaming us for, was that when hitting Royal Flush (typically a chance of 1 in 2,598,960 bets) while betting max, you could win a site progressive Jackpot instead of multiple of your bet as in regular VP card game (e.g. x4,000), so essentially by throwing in an incentive several fold higher. While the game acted as pure card game in ALL other 2.5M+ cases as openly stated in the game help, let me add:

    job-progressive

    Despicable us?! I personally didn't think so 10 years ago, I still don't think so now wink

    #2 RTP-wise, that's another fancy case of an 'academic' topic overrated by many, rarely providing any meaningful insight into a behavior of a particular game. Why? To let you sneak peek behind the curtain: each game is being designed with certain RTP in mind. To avoid any 'short-term' hiccups, the percentage is usually being calculated on a number of spins in the ballpark anywhere between hundreds of thousands up to dozen millions. In our case, we usually stick with a few million --

    But will the same 97% RTP game display the same pattern or behavior and pay out exactly $97 on every $100 of your bets over the next 10, 100, or 1,000 spin you make on it? Most definitely NOT. So the overall RTP figure doesn't really tell you much, perhaps apart from telling which game to completely avoid, e.g. the category of <94% RTP slots, a category to which incidentally almost all slots in landbased casinos happen to fall into, easily offering RTP in ugly low 70%'s. Completely irregardless of how popular they might be, go figure?!

    Moving forward, instead any meaningful RTP figure is that over certain period of time, e.g. the past day, two weeks. But even if you get a more reasonable 'footprint' on how a game was performing, you don't have any guarantee it will share the very same pattern over the next day, or next two weeks. Similarly as the Nasdaq stock that made you 50% over the past year won't necessarily earn you that much over the next year. And we didn't touch the subject of Jackpots and other factors stepping in the game...

    In other words, YES! You can loose every single penny even on a game said to have 99% RTP --

    Maybe what you had in mind was high/low variance/volatility games?! With low volatility representing those frequently low paying games with no extra thrill, while high volatility games you may need to 'feed' first, and wait long enough to spit it all out, usually during some generous bonus round...

    At any rate, if you have a particular game on mind, I'll be happy to check on its RTP for any given time range...

    Hey. Did you at least manage making a few spins on any of our games during all this talking?? wink

  • Slotland.WinADay wrote:

    FoggyPort wrote:

    Hello, I found here that the software is strange...

    #1 ad pogg --

    Well, an interesting choice of resources you have indeed, by referring to an article dating back to 2012 on something that about 2.5 people on Earth found relevant --

    Anyway, to give you some context, back in the day Mr. Pogg (perhaps a brilliant statistician, though still unable to spell our brand name right) had a serious beef against one of our games, particularly JacksOrBetterProgressive (formerly called JacksOrBetter), thinking it's a pure video poker although we at all times clearly stated it's not, e.g. by providing an explanation that it's a video game based on Jacks or Better poker game.

     

    So the overall RTP figure doesn't really tell you much, perhaps apart from telling which game to completely avoid, e.g. the category of <94% RTP slots, a category to which incidentally almost all slots in landbased casinos happen to fall into, easily offering RTP in ugly low 70%'s. Completely irregardless of how popular they might be, go figure?!

     

    Hey. Did you at least manage making a few spins on any of our games during all this talking?? wink

    Hello,
    1# The review in the link is from 2019 not 2012. I don't think his name is Mr. Pogg. I go there to get info on if the software is fair cause lcb.org doesn't talk about that. I don't know all the details but he says the weird change wasn't disclosed and that he's suspcious of other games.

    https://wizardofodds.com/online-gambling/slotland/

    2#Yes, exactly as you said, I want to know which slots to avoid. Are you slots less than 94% rtp? The good sofwares normally tell you rtp to compare, like netent, rival, microgaming. I didnt find that on your website. 

    3#I haven't made any spins yet cause I don't see any info about the game fairness. Many casinos have bankrupted players by throwing the switch that makes it almost impossible to win on slots.

  • FoggyPort wrote:

    1# The review in the link is from 2019 not 2012

    Hmmm, that's merely a silly trick to let Google think you update your content often. A one extra click takes you here, and voila, 2012 here we come...

    FoggyPort wrote:

    2#The good sofwares normally tell you rtp to compare, like netent, rival, microgaming. I didnt find that on your website.

    Yes, virtually all our games have RTP of >94% or (in some cases considerably) higher. For the reasons mentioned in my previous post we prefer not to publish this kind of stats because in our eyes they don't povide any meaningful value.

    But if you happened to read my previous post in full, I am happy to provide you with real-life figures for any particular game.

    On another note, RTP stats for the softwares you mentioned are usually provided by 3rd party sites, and in some cases don't even correspond. Not exactly a earning high level of confidence in my case, not sure about yours...

    FoggyPort wrote:

    3#I haven't made any spins yet cause I don't see any info about the game fairness...

    Okay. Let me repeat that back in 1998 when it was launched, Slotland was one of the first *twenty* online casinos out there. Not many of which have lasted till this day, let me add. Winaday followed suit back in 2007 --

    Now, do you really believe we'd be still around if we were using some dirty tricks against our players? Imagine we have players who have been with us 15+ years and are still coming back every month...

    Like I said, no worries if our games are not your thing, in such case I just kindly ask you stop bashing them for no obvious reason...

    Rated:

    4.6/ 5

  • What kind of system is that -- to email players individually rather than just put it on your website?

    You say you don't provide RTP cause it's not relevant to players. Then you say it helps players avoid very bad slots so clearly it is relevant. I'm asking and plenty of other player ask so clearly it is relevant. You say volatilty is relevant but you don't publish that either. So clearly relevancy to player has nothing to do with why little information is given.

    You say that normally known info about slots is given by 3rd parties rather than the provider. Maybe this is true for dodgy providers, like RTG or Betsoft who have a switch to dramatically reduce RTP, but it's not true for trusted providers. See for example Netent who published RTP and Volatlity without any problem

    https://games.netent.com/video-slots/gonzos-quest/

    So it's natural to assume you are in the RTG/Betsoft category. If you don't like that assumption, then take this as constructive critcism rather than getting frustrated.

    Nobody is bashing your games. I'm questioning whether they are fair. As far as I know they're not audited and no information is published. Wizard, who is extremely well respected, has doubts about their fairness. He does give you credit for being around a long time but speculates that the reason may be due to dodgy software. 

     

  • We appreciate your feedback on the info provided by various operators and are truly sorry you're not happy with the information we provide on our games at the moment, despite my offer to provide you with a clear evidence your 'natural' assumptions are completely wrong.

    Point taken, we might even begin to publish these in the future as we have nothing to hide, leaving anyone not accepting these facts to make wild speculations and ill-assumptions ad nausea.

    Wishing you luck at the games, if playing games is what really you came here for.

  • Slotland.WinADay wrote:

    We appreciate your feedback on the info provided by various operators and are truly sorry you're not happy with the information we provide on our games at the moment, despite my offer to provide you with a clear evidence your 'natural' assumptions are completely wrong.

    Point taken, we might even begin to publish these in the future as we have nothing to hide, leaving anyone not accepting these facts to make wild speculations and ill-assumptions ad nausea.

    Wishing you luck at the games, if playing games is what really you came here for.

    Well I am cause I want to play at good US casinos. Can you tell which slots games have the very low payout that should be avoided and also which ones are good for big winnings and which ones are more stable? 

  • I wish my answer was yes, but sadly I don't have a crystal ball telling me which game will pay the next big win or when will that happen wink

    Anyway, assuming this could be what you asked for, quickly glancing in our game stats, here are top 5 slots to play based on the RTP stats for the past 3 months (=with the highest RTP for the given time frame, ranging 95-98.5%):

    Ninja Power
    Monster Trucks
    Aztec Adventure
    Wild West
    Robot Escape

    and 'worst' 5 games for you to avoid (=with the lowest RTP, ranging 89-93% for the given time frame):

    Cirque de Paris
    Fishbowl Luck
    Castle Siege
    Lost World
    Candy Paradise

    while let me repeat that in reality, you could easily win big on a game with lowest possible RTP while vice versa, the 'hottest' game could eat you alive. Sadly, I don't have game stats by their variance/volatility currently available so can't share those with you right now, sorry.

    I know you didn't ask, but --

    Obviously, by its definition poker games have considerably higher RTP than most slots (usually in the range of 95-98%). So those (e.g. Double Bonus Poker, ofc along with a good poker strategy) would always be my choice when on the lookout for the 'loosest' casino games.

    About time to make a spin or two, especially when they're on the house, don't you think? 

  • This was hilarious and a great read.

  • hit the road Jack and.. oh no wait thats a good explanation cheesy

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